TOWN OF
DEVELOPMENT REVIEW BOARD MINUTES
July 1, 2008
Approved August 5, 2008
DRB Members
Present: Tom McGlenn, Richard (Dick)
Jordan,
DRB Members Absent: Ted Bloomhardt, Lisa Godfrey, George Munson.
Also Present: Alex
Weinhagen (Director of Zoning and Planning), Karen Cornish (Recording
Secretary), John Nevius, George Palmer, David and Carrie Fenn, Johanna White,
Michael Jacobs, Bill and Nancy Lee Ross, Alan and Nancy Norris, Mike Wilson.
The meeting began at approximately 8:00 p.m.
Minutes of the June 17, 2008 Meeting:
Zoë MOVED to approve the meeting minutes as amended. Dennis SECONDED the motion. The motion PASSED 4–0, with Greg abstaining.
Sketch Plan Review – 1-Lot,
13-Unit Subdivision/PRD – Route 116 – Applicants: Alan and Nancy Norris
**continued from the
June 17th meeting
A site visit took
place before the meeting. In attendance
were Nancy Lee and Bill Ross, John Nevius, George Palmer, Mike Jacobs, David
and Carrie Fenn, Johanna White, Bernie Roy, Lori Wilson, Mike Wilson
(neighbors); Alan and Nancy Norris (applicants); Bill Marks of the Conservation
Committee and the DRB members in attendance for the meeting.
Tom said the group started
at the northern end of the property at one of the proposed duplexes. They proceeded to visit the building sites
(two duplexes, two single-family homes, one triplex and one four-plex)
traveling down the east side, up the access road/ROW, then back down the west
side of the building area. They noted
the balloon tethered at 35 feet high at the four-plex site. They then walked out to 116 and came in the
access road across from
Tom said the group then
went to
David Fenn, a South
Farm resident, said the layout of the buildings did not seem to take advantage
of solar potential. He suggested having buildings
face south for passive solar, and to orient roof lines to the south so that
they could be outfitted with solar hot water panels. Johanna White, a South Farm resident, said
she had the same concerns and added that facing homes to the south would
maximize the best views. Mike Jacobs
noted that the tree buffer (mentioned in the site visit notes) has only
deciduous trees and is thus only seasonal. John Nevius said the development would be in
the direct line of site from his property, with the four-plex dead center. He said the 35 foot balloon lined up with the
top of the mountain.
Alan Norris spoke
regarding the project. He addressed a
comment regarding the size of the single-family homes; he said they would be 1500
square feet, not including an attached single-car garage. He explained their goal of building moderately-priced
homes, with smaller footprints but with quality materials such as ceramic tile
and hardwood floors. He said all units would
be between 900 and 1700 square feet. He
said that an overall economy of space allowed the buildings to use better
building materials but remain reasonably priced. He said they would use a
Mike Wilson asked
about the four-plex footprint, specifically why it appeared to be smaller than
other buildings, and how tall it would be.
Alan said the four-plex units would have walkout basements to the back
and the front part of the structure would be two stories, approximately 30 feet
tall. He said the duplexes had a larger footprint
due to the placement of a 2-car garage on each end. Alan said they used stock plans to
approximate building footprints, massing and yard spacing, etc., for the
application only, but have not finalized any building details.
Mike said his wife
Lori suggested a development with all single-family homes, built in a cape or
modified salt box design to make use of living space. Alan said 13 single-family homes would be
very cluttered. Tom asked if all
buildings would be at 30 feet; Alan said he understands buildings need to be 35
feet or less, that they would meet that maximum height requirement but could
not commit to firm dimensions at this time.
Tom said he was concerned that 6 buildings clustered at the end of the
parcel, all at 35 feet, may look massive.
Alex agreed an applicant could not commit to a design he has not made
yet but that the Board could give direction based on observations and standards
in place. Greg asked how many maximum
density bonuses have been granted in the past.
Alex said taking the size of the parcel (24 acres) and the ROW (less 1
acre) into consideration, the theoretical maximum for this project would be would not be 23/2 (minimum lot size), for a
total of 11 conventionally-sited units.
An additional 2 are being requested as part of a PRD. Alex said there has only been one request for
a unit bonus due to a PRD and the DRB granted it (Thistle Hill). He said most developments don’t seek to take
advantage of it so there is not really precedent. He said in reviewing the Thistle Hill proposal,
the DRB discussed to what degree the project meets the 5 standards of a PRD, and
to what extent it is an exemplary example of a PRD. Greg replied that therefore, unless there was
a good reason, the DRB would not be inclined to grant a bonus. Alex said he has not heard the Board make
that specific interpretation but that they would have to determine an
appropriate development density based on the space and whether the project
warranted the extra density. He said the
DRB generally could not approve more than could have been developed
conventionally (in this case, 11 units), adding extra units if the project
merited it.
Town septic was
discussed; Alex confirmed that allocation was not contingent on an expansion of
the system and that the SB has adequate capacity to grant allocation for this
project. George Palmer asked about the 50-ft
ROW and the potential for sidewalks inside the development. Alex said the traveled portion of the road
would be 24 feet wide. George asked
about a turnaround, noting it would have to be near the duplex site to the
north. Setbacks were discussed; Alex
said setbacks within a PRD development could be lower than in a conventional
development but not at the perimeter (where property meets neighboring
properties). He said setbacks would be either
20 or 30 feet (side or rear yard) at the perimeter, depending on building
orientation within the triangular shape of the parcel. Zoë said as the layout is drawn currently,
buildings are tight and there may not be much opportunity to change building
orientation. Alan said he could reduce
the number of buildings and increase units within the multi family buildings
(to retain a total unit number of 13). Zoë
asked what their preference was; Alan said the single-family homes had been
included to better blend the development within surrounding area.
The PRD’s 21-acre
open space was discussed. Alan said the
town has indicated it may use the space for a recreation field, if viability
could be determined with a wetland delineation.
Alex explained a discussion of public infrastructure that had begun as part
of public forums last fall; residents wanted more certainty as to where public
improvements would go. A master planning
map was created and submitted to the SB for preliminary review, with funds set
aside in the Planning and Zoning budget for wetlands delineation. A rec field was indicated on a map, on this
property and another north of village.
Alan said they are still discussing a variety of uses for the space, but
that they would not retain ownership of it.
Greg thought it was difficult to discuss a PRD at the sketch plan phase
without a proposal of what the open space would be.
George Palmer suggested
putting three buildings to the west, on the other side of the stream: one duplex,
one single-family home and the four-plex.
Alan said that would not be possible as currently the sewer allocation
area ends just past the stream. Alex
explained the SB has delineated a town sewer area, outside of which they would
not allow connections, whether a developer ran a pipe there or not. He said the sewer service area would likely change
if the village rezoning proposal was approved.
He explained a new higher-density residential district would be created
to the village south, to include parcels from just south of the Buck Hill intersection. Regarding the Norris proposal, Alex said the
applicants could seek to revise the PRD after any changes in town regulations,
given no restrictions were placed on the remaining open space. Alan said under new regulations, the sewer
service area would be changed and a total of 24 units (on the 24-acre parcel) would
be allowed. He said they wished to go
forward with this proposal, however, to ensure some sewer allocation within the
current service area and regulations. He
said they would work with the Affordable Housing Committee on this project and
that, if the rezoning went through before building was started, they would be
required to make some units affordable anyway.
Tom confirmed
theoretically, the project could receive approval and sewer allocation; if
buildings were not already in place, the applicants could come back and revise the
proposal. Alex reviewed the village
growth area rezoning proposal, stating its overarching goals were to create
more housing, and more affordable and reasonably-priced housing, along with provisions
for energy efficiency.
The building
arrangement and setbacks were discussed.
Dick asked about ownership of the triangular land area, and also whether
each resident in the development would have access to all parts of the
property. Alan said a condo association
would be formed; land would be owned together and outside maintenance would be
shared. Mike Jacobs asked about landscaping. Alan said a formal landscaping plan would be
submitted during the preliminary and final phases.
Dick asked whether
the properties on Friendship Lane could be further subdivided, under current or
future regulations. Alex said yes, with
new zoning, but it would depend on the layout and size of the parcel. He said regulations already allow for high
density in the village but that he is not sure exactly where village line crosses
through
Tom MOVED to close the public hearing and discuss the application in deliberative session. Greg SECONDED the motion. The motion PASSED 5-0.
Other Business:
Tom MOVED to approve the draft decision as amended (approval). Zoë SECONDED the motion. The motion passed 5-0.
French extension of
sketch plan approval
Tom MOVED to approve a 6-month extension of the sketch plan
approval for a project on
The board went into deliberative session at this time (9:10
pm) and the meeting adjourned at 9:40 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted:
Karen Cornish
Recording Secretary